stupid as these manifolds, it gets difficult finding things. I know some people are lazy. I try to do my research before asking anything, but some questions take less time to answer than the crap some people write in response. You get a bunch of 'use the search function' posts when all someone needs to say is something like 'page XXX of section XX of the FSM'. Some people just have to be so much smarter than others. 'If you can't figure it out yourself, I ain't gonna tell ya'